The worse, the better. Iolanta Mura

How did I turn out to be a handyman, what can be done in 17 hours, what feats are done for the sake of a dog, and how to forge your antifragility?

-There we are high with you, Dimitri.


– We have a public chat. Let’s see how we are seen, heard. Twelve people are already watching us!

– Really?

-There’s gonna be more, oh-oh-oh-oh-oh.

-Greetings from Moscow!

-You can hear and see. Thank you! That’s my mother, my biggest spectator.

– I didn’t tell mine. I should have asked mine. I’ll text her.

-Write right now. While Dima is texting his mom to plug in, I’ll let you know what we’re doing here today. For those who don’t know Dmitry Voloshin, he’s an entrepreneur, public figure, and athlete. And to me, just a cool dude. Of course, I know a lot of active people, and I’m active myself. But we all stand nervously smoking in a corner when we look at Dmitry Voloshin.

Dima, entrepreneur, public figure, athlete, record holder. If you were given only one word to choose from, which of these words would you choose? Or maybe one that unites them all. Who are you, Dima Voloshin?

-It says handyman.

-A handyman?

-Yes, because I can’t make up my mind. I’m very creative. I’m a designer, and a director, and a producer. There are so many kinds of activities. I’ve been puzzling over how to represent myself for a long time, and I’ve decided to combine everything. And there’s still no telling what’s to come. That’s why I don’t like to get hung up on one thing. And again, here are the circumstances. If I’m going to an entrepreneurial hangout, I’m an entrepreneur. If it’s a creative hangout, I’m a filmmaker. And when they say, “What did you direct? We’re all directors here.” And there’s already something to show. Oh, well, okay, you’re a director.

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-Lots of things. We have a lot of cartoons. I show both old and new ones. The directors are like: “What are you directing? Where did you study? What did you do?” And you have to show something, present something. Then it’s like, okay. Athlete. What kind of athlete are you? Show me what you can do. Show me what I can do. I ran there, I swam there, and I did a triathlon here. All right, all right, come on.

-It’s already dangerous to be an athlete. It would take me all my life to read all the marathons, ultramarathons, Iron Man.

– We won’t then.

– I’ve written out a few for myself that I want to sound off on. And the rest, please read online. There are a lot of them. I can’t physically remember them all. By the way, there are already 54 people watching us. Hey, everybody!


-Somebody told me you’re a kind of Iron Man. Yeah, Dima Voloshin is Iron Man. Moldavian Iron Man. I confirm. There was a joke in terms of how many people know Marvel Iron Man, and Voloshin is not even close to Marvel Iron Man in terms of innovation, physical fitness, etc. But Iron Man, in general, comes from his sports hobbies.

-Iron Man, on the other hand, is doped up. He’s got a fiery motor inside of him, and I don’t. I’m made of meat, I’m made of bones. So not really.

– Tell me about Iron Man in a nutshell.

– Iron Man is the name of the person who has done the longest triathlon distance. You have to swim 4 kilometers, change clothes, get on a bike, ride 180 kilometers on a bike, then change clothes again and run a 42 km marathon. And all this has to be done in 17 hours, without stopping. Whoever can do it is Iron Man.

– I understand you did.

Let me make another announcement before we start actively talking about you. Then I’m afraid we’ll get carried away and we won’t be able to stop.

Ask questions. I can already see that the questions are pouring in. Hello, Vitaly! He said you’re a hero. You probably see these messages too. Questions are coming in, we’ll be answering them.

One announcement. We have such a book written by Voloshin. Run and Remember. That’s the book we’re going to give to the best question. So ask questions. The more provocative, the better, because he’ll get bored, he’ll wither, he’ll deflate.

-I’ll just pass out and walk away.

-Don’t you dare pass out. Don’t let Voloshin go. Ask him questions so that he sweats and sighs and asks you to stop.

– I’ve been waiting a long time.

– Whoever asks the best question…

-Let’s put it this way. Not the best, but the most unpleasant.


-Which one will be the hardest to answer. Where I’m right…

-So let’s change the subject. Whoever asks the most unpleasant question gets this book, “Run and Remember”. I read it today, I highly recommend it. Makes me want to run in the desert. Really, I don’t know, something else is stopping me.

-You can do it.

-Voloshin says I can do it. If Voloshin says I can do it, there’s no more excuses. How he did it, we’ll talk more today.

Let’s get started. Looking at the list of all your last seven years… By the way, I have another cool picture. Can I show it to you? The one that shows your seven years. It’s Voloshin’s 7 years. That’s about 2013 and 2019, 2020.

– Eight years, yes.

– That’s what one looks like. Looking at everything you’ve done in 7 years, people might have a question. Woloshin, are you superhuman, suicidal, or are you bored and looking for a thrill? How do you explain your hyperactivity?

-Literally, until this year, this question used to baffle me. What drives you, why do you do it? Normal people don’t need it, you’re crazy. Or you have some kind of complexes. Of course, I have complexes, like everyone else, from childhood. But now I’ve learned about the theory of antifragility, after reading a book recently, I realized what I was doing. I was becoming anti-fragile.

I’ll make a little introduction. Who doesn’t know what antifragility is, hasn’t read this wonderful book yet.

– We talk about it a lot. I like your explanation the best. So go ahead and explain it, so it’s clear to everyone.

-Antifragile system or anti-fragile person is a system that becomes stronger and stronger under the blows of fate and under stress. It doesn’t just withstand it, it doesn’t just pass with honor through trials. It toughens itself, becomes stronger and better. I remember when I was told, “Dima, you can’t run.” The doctors said, “Why are you running? It’s dangerous for your health, dangerous for your knees. And I always said, “Why?” – “Imagine you have a mechanical watch, and you’re going to bang on it with a hammer. What will happen to it? Sooner or later it will break.” And it sounded convincing. I thought, well, really, it doesn’t happen that way.

Only now do I realize that human beings are anti-fragile creatures in principle. Just like any living thing. The more he’s stressed, the stronger he gets. The harder you pump your muscles, the stronger they become, the more powerful they become. As soon as a man begins to do nothing, he dies. So we are anti-fragile creatures. We are not watches. Clocks are dead. The more strain, the worse they become. Or a table. Any inanimate creature. And all living things are anti-fragile. So doing sports, seemingly crazy, if done in the right progression, exercising, training, makes you stronger. And that extends not just to the body, but to the brain as well.

So I felt at some point that I needed to move on, that my personal growth could be fairly rapid at the expense of getting through the pain. And so I chose this path. It’s the shortest, but it’s the hardest. And I’ve suffered a lot in those seven years.

You might have a video of the pain, show it. But when I got out of that stage, I realized that I can do anything, I don’t care about any trouble. I put a fat check mark on it and now I do sports for fun, for fun. I run barefoot and have a lot of fun.

-I was watching a newscast when you were running 50 km in Oymyakon at minus 60. Half of it was about you running. And half of the video the doctor was talking about how this could have a bad effect on your health: the cold for your nasopharynx, for your ligaments, for your joints. I found it very interesting. People show the example of a man who surpassed himself and set a world record. I’m not mistaken, you set a world record then?

– Yes.

-That was in early 2019, in January?

-Yes, a year and a half ago.

-Halfway through the report, they showed a doctor explaining that you have to think a hundred times…

– Think and think right away. This is just the kind of doctor who said that a man is a clock. I would agree with him. If you’re sent to Oymyakon now, dressed up and told to run 50 kilometers – you’ll break down, of course. But if you prepare for it for 5-6 years, run in cold conditions, in the wind, learn to breathe properly, you’ll run, too. If you slowly toughen up your body and get stronger and stronger… That’s something a lot of people can do. It’s not a question of strength of character here, it’s a question of discipline. If you have the willpower to regularly make some effort on yourself, and a little bit at a time, you can achieve anything. Why can some people and some people can’t? Some have weaker discipline and some have stronger discipline. That’s it. And discipline is driven by motivation. If you don’t have motivation, it’s very hard to maintain discipline. You know. Walking a dog if that dog is not yours and you don’t love it is very hard. If you love her, you have to go out every day at 6:30… Like my son and I do now. We bought a dog – he’s motivated for now. But if he didn’t – he wouldn’t go out. So you need a very strong inner desire to do something like that. It will drive.

-Let’s face it, in front of 80 people, what was your motivation? What happened in 2013, besides having those cheeks, that belly?I’m judging by the pictures, I’m sorry. What else made you do it? What were you missing? You had a business, a family, a wife, kids. And then bang, bang, bang. Where did that motivation come from? For other people to find that motivation. You gonna find it somewhere?

-You’re not going to find it. People ask me, too: “Dima, I also want to be so fired up about something, to fly away for 7 years…”. The transition period from middle age to 40 is such a rough river. And I managed to fly over that river in a balloon. And you say, “I want to, too. Tell me how to build a raft, how to build a balloon, how to make a dugout, how to get across, because it covers.” Guys, no recipe. Everyone has their own recipe. You just wait and hope it goes away. Or maybe it will, and you’ll get into that raging river and drown there.

-People come for a prescription, people always want a prescription. Just a little one.

-Good. You want a prescription, you get a prescription. Let’s talk frankly now. What’s going on with me right now? I had a difficult one-year period, then I went back into business. And now I’m starting to have a period where I’m drawn to the land. I was doing a rock fire pit yesterday, with a stonemason. I didn’t just make a fire pit, I’m sitting down and laying this thing out myself. And I get a kick out of it. I realize that my time is worth a million dollars a second. And I could make a lot more money in that time. But I’m putting the screws to it and doing what I enjoy doing – sitting around and picking up pebbles. Although it’s generally pointless, its efficiency is very low, it’s inefficient, no one will appreciate it except me and my friends. This is not the scale of the country, not the scale of the world. It’s the shit I do. But I enjoy it. So if you’re trying to skip that river, swim across it, try to find sparks, droplets of what you enjoy doing. And feel free to do it.

Feel free to fill your life with it, because a lot of people get overwhelmed. I mean, how come I have a claim, I mean, I want to be mayor of the city, and I actually want to bake pies. That’s not cool. It’s actually cool. It’s cool to feel happy. It’s not cool to live up to someone else’s models and try to conform to society’s image. It’s cool to be happy on your own.

-So you’re against stereotypes? By the way, I caught you with another question.

-Go ahead.

-My question is the same: When will Dimitri run for mayor of Chisinau? I got you.

-Let’s run for president already, there’s no point in playing games. I don’t want to go into politics. I’ve told you many times. I’d probably be mayor by now if I wanted. I have a good information resource and financial. Many people support me, and I have a strong team. All this is possible. But I don’t want to get involved in politics. Not much will be left of my reputation there. What I have collected, saved up, did for the country, in order to live happily, will be destroyed in one year, literally.

I try to help both the municipal authorities, and the education system, and the Ministry of Sports, as much as I can, remotely. But I don’t want to get involved and become a slave to circumstances and officials. I don’t want to become someone’s puppet. That’s why I won’t go into politics. But I will do everything in my power to make life in our country better.

-It’s a shame that people like you think that…

-Maybe people like me are like that. Maybe that’s the hallmark of a man who can do something – his reluctance to go into politics?

-So you think that politics in Moldova is a dirty and ungrateful business?

-I don’t agree with the word “all.” Most people do. I know decent people in politics. But I don’t know anyone in politics who is happy and internally free. I know people who are trying to be honest and they have a very hard time. But most are unclean on their hands and their thoughts are gray.

I want to keep my freedom. This is the most important thing for me. So that I don’t live in stress, because being in politics, you live in constant stress. I’m not ready.

-There’s one comment we have that Dmitri is a different breed. He’s way above it all. I both agree and disagree. That he’s a different breed, I agree. But when you see that such people could bring something additional to their country, it is a shame that they don’t go into politics. But on the other hand, maybe, Dmitry, you are right.

Something I went to “you” as about politics.

-Let’s start with the fact that I’m in politics. I don’t have a deputy’s badge, I’m not the mayor, I’m not the president, but I’m in politics because I can’t be out of it, because, first of all, I have the largest information resources in the country. Internet resources. We do a lot of public projects. We’re doing the Chisinau Marathon. We’re changing the education system with the studio. How can you be out of politics? Of course, we negotiate a lot with municipalities, deputies, and the president, because a project like this cannot be done autonomously. And we have to deal with all of that. So I see what’s going on there, and I don’t want to go there. I’d rather do what I can outside: throw coal into the furnace.

-Dima, you’re thinking wrong. Another Moldovan would think: I’ll go into politics, it’s more money, I’ll get more money from my projects. All my businesses will flourish.

Don’t you have that worm? Or are you an alien?

-I’m not an alien. I’m just a person who’s not about money or business.

I happen to be a very passionate person. When I get fired up about something, I can get a lot of people around me fired up. They light up like matches. And I can use that flame to build something. But I don’t mean money, I’m not a businessman. I don’t understand accounting, accounts, banks, how financial flows are arranged. It’s not my thing at all. I have a very cool team where everyone is an expert in their field. I’m just an inspiration, an ideologist, I’ve never been interested in money. So I do not go into politics to make money. I am not interested in it at all. I have a monthly income, which is enough for me. My salary has not been raised for several years. My salary has not been raised for five years, because I don’t see the point in raising it. If there’s enough money to build a barbecue out of pebbles, what’s the point of more?

-I feel sorry for you right now. Just kidding.

-Come on, I’m a very happy man.

-108 people are watching us. So let’s inspire them.

I want to go into anti-fragility business. I have so many questions, my goodness. Let’s start with the anti-fragility of business. We’ve already figured out what anti-fragility is in terms of people, specifically your example taken. But as it turns out, even before you read Nazim Taleb, you had already built an anti-fragile business. Tell us about the elements of the anti-fragile business. How did you happen to build it?

– I guess if I hadn’t built it that way, I wouldn’t have built it and you wouldn’t be talking to me right now. I guess long-lived businesses are all built on that principle.

-Do you think so? I’m not sure. That’s a different conversation.

-Yeah, it’s complicated, but that’s how it worked out for us. In general, I have a motto in my life, it was formed over the last 15 years: the worse, the better. That is, I feel my own development and the development of projects only when it gets bad. And we have several stories that confirm that we made such quantum leaps just in the moment, when the crisis came, when it was a total disaster. That’s when we progressed quickly.

And we have chaos in our company. Since I created it in 2003 it’s still unclear, if you look at it from the outside, how it works. There is the way the processes are organized. But we never plan anything. All normal companies have a budget for the year. This amount for this, this amount for advertising, this amount for development, this amount for this project, this one. We don’t have that. We’re constantly moving and monitoring what’s going on in the world, in the market. And when we see that now we have to do this project, we throw resources, money, and people into this direction. We get it up, we do not succeed, we close it down and throw it away. We have about 30 projects that didn’t take off that you haven’t seen. Or you saw them and they died. So we have our own little graveyard. A big one. And what you see on the surface is the tip of the iceberg that survived. So one of our strategies is to create a lot of projects, different projects, in different directions, not to be afraid. And some of them will die, some of them will stay. And we’ve always done that.

– But it’s all expenses, people, salaries, resources. It turns out that you still have to have a positive return. Those costs have to be covered by existing projects. Have you been able to do this normally so far? You haven’t gone down the drain?

-Yes. We don’t invest in one business. We don’t put our eggs in one basket. We have a core business. What it brings… We do projects in different areas. Some we haven’t done. Is it risky? Yes, very risky. We’ve lost a fair amount of money. I can’t recommend a model like ours to a business that I don’t know, that, there, puts glazing. My original strategy was to create an ecosystem. Not just a window production business, but a business that has 20 areas that can then be mixed and matched. To connect a marathon with the education system, and cartoons with the Internet. You get VR, something third. Something else to combine with that. A web from which new projects can be created.

But this is quite a complicated, time-consuming process.

And if you start producing windows, it takes quite a long time. Generally speaking, I do not believe in recipes for success or luck or business. But that is how it was with us. For me it was clear that you have to move like this.

-You promote anti-fragility.

-That’s what anti-fragility is. What does Taleb say? That business should not be set up so as to foresee all the piles that can happen and build a wall for each of them, but so that whatever comes, it will be able to survive any failure and become better from it. Because not all companies will survive the crisis. About 20 percent will not make it through the crisis. And those 20% of the market that will be lost will be taken by those who survive. So if you survive the crisis, you already become bigger automatically. It’s enough to survive, to get through the crisis.

That’s why anti-fragile companies are companies that are waiting for the crisis. They’re not afraid of it, because they know they can stand on their own feet. Now we are thinking: what will happen if suddenly there is a reverse epidemic, if the Internet disappears? And then the restaurants would be on a roll and the IT companies would all collapse.

-You ripped that question out of me. Tell me, what is this apocalyptic project? One and there won’t be an Internet. That means I won’t be able to talk to you like this.

– You’ll have to drive to my car to talk to me.

– Yeah, and get you on camera and then show you on the screen.

-It’s interesting to speculate on that subject.

-So you’re already waiting for the next crisis?

-How interesting it is to come up with an idea. Here we sit down and say, “Guys, let’s come up with a project that will flourish when there’s no Internet. We start a story on the subject. One idea, two, three. And suddenly we have a project that doesn’t need the Internet and has nothing to do with the global apocalypse, because, by and large, it’s a very abstract, fictional situation. And it’s unlikely to happen. But as a result of thinking about it, you get something…

Wait, telling the Avatar project… No, not yet. It’s too raw for that. But we had an idea with someone about how to make the world a better place in an age of epidemics.

-I’m sure that time will come, so I’m very impressed that you’re already thinking about it. At a time when people are sitting at their laptop and phone screens thinking, “Will we ever go back offline like we used to, Voloshin is sitting with his team and thinking, “We’ll go back offline, and what happens when there’s no online at all?”

Let’s go on about your businesses. Saw a lot of interesting projects on your Facebook. We’re friends there. I’m so tempted… People are looking and wondering if Voloshin has headphones there… And it’s a pigtail! And I remembered what I read today, and there was an expression there: all the power is in the pigtail. Explain it to me, because there was no explanation in the book.

-People ask me, “How do you do it? How do you do it? You run in the deserts, you swim across Gibraltar.” And I say, “It’s all in the scythe. You don’t have a scythe, you can’t swim across Gibraltar. I have a scythe, I can.” And the scythe isn’t just any scythe, it’s a magic scythe. When I go somewhere, my wife and children braid three different-colored strands into the braid: blue, yellow and red. Those are the colors of the Moldovan flag. And everyone whispers something. And I ride with this braid that has three strings woven into it, and I feel the strength of my family beside me. And she’s counting my strength.

-Why did you hide it? Get it back out.

-Do you know how it came to be?

-I don’t know.

– She came ten years ago. I had my son ten years ago. Back then I was still, as my wife says, handsome. I had a potbelly, glasses.

A noble man. I decided to celebrate. Got the boys together right on my birthday. And I had long, gorgeous hair. That’s the length of it all. I’d been going through, like, two years with it. But not as gorgeous as yours. I was so sick of it. I had a little drink, like a little drink, a normal drink for my birthday and I said to the guys: “That’s it, cut the hell out of my hair, I’m sick of it. It’s tangled all the time”. And everyone went on: everyone took a lock, cut it off with scissors. And at the end I was left with a wisp of hair in the back. And our animation artist, Serdar, who was also drunk, said, “I’m not cutting.” – “Cut it!” – “My scrap of hair. Whatever I want to do with it, that’s what I do. I’ll cut it tomorrow.” Come on, all right.

Woke up in the morning, looked at myself in the mirror, hair in shreds in all directions. Ran to the hairdresser’s, said: “Do something, I have to go to work. I can’t go dressed like this.” They chopped it off. “What do you do with that scrap in the back?” – “I don’t know. What can you do with it?” – “We could braid it.” That’s it, such a simple story. And I haven’t parted with it since.

– That braid?

– Yeah, ten years.

-How about that? -How about that? So the power in that pigtail came before your mind did.

-She was born on the same day as my son.

– That’s great. I like the pigtail story. And I like your story, too. We have 126 viewers. Likes, likes, and hearts. Now there’s also a new thing on Facebook – hugs. In a time of crisis.

Let’s get a little more serious, because we’re hee-hee ha ha, people might misunderstand us. You have so many lines of business. You say you don’t keep your eggs in one basket, which is right, as theorists say. But you’re not a theorist, you’re a practitioner. Let’s talk about actual projects. What have I seen on Facebook? Studios that are finally… How much we’ve been trashing the move to online. But the crisis had to come, bang on, to give the studio a chance to move quickly and not just you as a developer, but the rest of the clients as well. The school, the ministry of education-all suddenly realized the need. Then you did the masks. I think I even asked in the comments what filters you were using.

-It wasn’t my initiative. It was the initiative of the other guys. We just supported it.

– Okay, tell me about it. Can we gallop across Europe on these? You got Price, Job, Lobster something, a new shape, a new uniform. I watched some video. I’m not really familiar with Lobster. By the way, I saw an opening on your website. Talk to you later about that, that you’re hiring people in a crisis. Let’s go in order.

“Studii.” What did you hear about “Studii”? Was it an opportunity for you?

-This “Studii” is one of those opportunities where you have to do projects that may not be shooting right now, but are lying in the back of the stash and at some point will shoot out, under certain circumstances. When other people’s stuff dies, what you’ve been saving up, your stock shoots out. Now that was Studii. We started doing it two years ago. It’s electronic diaries for schools. Non-Moldovan viewers probably know what it is, and Moldovan viewers already know what it is.

-I hope.

-It’s not really a distance learning system. You understand the difference. The distance learning system is content, courses, the things that our municipalities are doing now. And it’s just a system of sending homework, lessons, grades, and systematizing the whole learning process and streamlining it for all participants in that process.

We started doing it two years ago, we have been developing quite slowly. We did it all at our own expense. Initially we had a position, and it has remained, that public schools will not pay for this system. It would be fee-based, there would be additional services for parents. Not basic, but VIP, for convenience – and make money from it.

We were developing it until the crisis hit. And we connected as many schools in a week as we had connected the year before.

That is, so far it is the theory of the rooster. He took a nibble, and everyone ran. We are faced with a huge problem. The problem is not software, not personal data. The problem is our people, who are not ready to use such systems. Especially in schools, we’ve encountered that it’s hard to implement, especially for teachers of an age. It’s hard to explain to them why they need to poke their finger in the phone when there is a journal, and why they need to keep both here and there. But I think we’ve moved the first boulder and now in September… We’re going to be rewriting it all summer because we’ve done modules quickly, and now we’re going to comb it to make it reliable, user-friendly. And starting September 1 we’re going to try to earn something from it so that we can develop it even faster. Because so far it has only been an investment. We are not asking the state for money. Thank God, the ministries are giving us the green light to move forward. True, they don’t say just “Studii” and nothing else. The school is free to choose the system it is more comfortable with. That’s great, too.

-Are there others?

-There aren’t others, but they may come along. That’s okay. You remember, we need competition, we need a problem in order to grow fast. So we wait to see if anyone shows up. Really, that’s the business model we have. I tell you, I’m not a businessman. Everything is free. It’s a very strange business model and it’s very hard to compete with us in that respect. So maybe it will show up, but it’s going to be a scramble.

-So far you’ve taken the bread from Viber, Mail.

-Viber, I think, has something to do. And Zoom said thank you for dropping one billionth, one thousandth of a percent. what do you hear? Because I wanted to do a show about that at one time. Talked to your guys.

-What about? Do you have any news there?


-Yes, there is. And the news is not very good. It has to do with the fact that the government plans to close their tender and deliver a European, different system. Everything is not so simple there, not everything is transparent. This is not good news for us because we invested a lot of effort, time and energy there. We taught the whole country how to use Intender. And now we have a very unclear idea about it. We couldn’t make any money from it either. We have minuses. We were counting on making money from it now. I don’t want to yet. I will come out with an official statement, I will tell everything that is going on, but so far not everything is transparent. It’s not always comfortable to work with our government.

-And I think Dimitri has outgrown the position of mayor of Chisinau. So think about it.

Can I ask you this question? Just about the Moldovan state. Why can’t it be seen in its entirety?

-Did you? I did. Thank you for the question.

-There it appears.

– Ugh, what a simple question. No, I didn’t, that’s it. Totally sincere. I didn’t. And if I went to the doctor, he looked at me, and I gave him 200 lei past the cash register, this is a bribe?

– I’ll cut it out. In the penal code it’s called “Foloase necuvenite.”

-This is one of the reasons why we have such a hard time with government projects. The same

Because we don’t pay bribes. This may have something to do with it. Maybe they would like us to give, but we don’t give, and they get bored with us. You guys are all wrong. It’s just a hypothesis.

-Woloshin has all the power in a pigtail. Voloshin is not from this club.

Voloshin for president. We’ll get past that.

Do you think we’ll have bicycle lanes within five years?

-I think we will. Maybe not all over the city, but there will be.

-Will the Ministry of Sports do something in this area?

-We’re not. We’ve already made enough of a mess. When I stopped actively running and came back to the company, I realized that we had invested so much money in the sport that I would never get it back. And that’s why we’re going to do sports events as soon as there’s a crisis. I mean, we want to do a run, “Pandemic.” There’s a pandemic, and we’re going to do “Rendemic.” It’s going to be a virtual race. You run your own race, then you show us the track, you get a medal.

-What’s it gonna be, a half marathon, a marathon?

-Marathon. 10 and 21, I think.

-Then I’d love to run it, too. -Yeah.

-Come on. I’ll send you a medal.

-I run 5k every day.

-Come on, don’t start, just every day.

-Every day, seriously. I used to run five days a week. And I’ve been running seven days a week for a month now, training.

– That’s 150 kilometers a month, actually. I’ll tell you a secret, I run 150 km a month now too. Same as you, no more.

-Listen, my hip hurts – is that normal?

– It’s not normal. It’s not supposed to hurt my hip. You run a lot. I told you. Take your time. What do you need so much for? Run every other day. The body needs to regenerate. It’s anti-fragility. Let it regenerate.

-What’s better– 5k every day or 10 every other day?

-10 every other day.

-Okay, then I’ll go to 10 every other day. At Voloshin’s request. To be healthy and not to get sick.

– I’ll give you a training program.

– You can give me offline later.

-Let’s not distract the audience.

-One viewer is very insistent: I want a book. Have your colleagues, your partners, your co-workers ever let you down? And have you ever had to throw colleagues, partners, employees? The man wants the book. Already the second question asked.

– Billeted and billeted. The question is in the wording. Ditching is a very harsh word. Not a good one.

-Failed to meet expectations.

-Kicked means not living up to expectations. People were leaving me. There was a very difficult time at the beginning of business. It was 2003-2004. The programmers got up and left. They said: “You were two weeks late on your paychecks. If you don’t give us the money now, we’re leaving.” Can you imagine an IT company without a single programmer? We said, ‘Be patient for another week. – “We’re out, we’re out.” And they didn’t show up the next day. I came home. We had our lights out for non-payment. And my wife and I had a cold bean dinner. That was the kind of day. It wasn’t pleasant at the time.

Did I throw? I guess from the outside you might think it was kiddos, but I think I was doing a fair thing. Like all people think they are doing everything fair in their lives. Their conscience is clear. But when a person has promised one thing as a professional, it’s often been, and a month, two, three, six months, doesn’t live up to expectations and does nothing, I say, “Look, we have to break up with you.” – “You promised we’d work with you forever.” – “Yeah, I thought we were going to work forever because you said you were going to work cool. You’re not doing a good job. So we’re going to have to break up.” I guess that could be perceived as a flip-flop. I think that’s fair.

I’ve never screwed a partner. I do not think anyone will say, I cheated someone, I did not fulfill my obligations, I stole. There was no such thing.

– Answer accepted. You know that a clean confession mitigates punishment.

That’s a very interesting comment. Finished watching the interview and ran. Even though I don’t like it, I feel super after a run. Not physically, but mentally. The man abandoned us, ditched us, reduced us to 103 views!

– Do you know why he feels good mentally? Because the hormones are released into his brain, his bloodstream. And he gets high. It’s just normal biology. It’s not really happiness, it’s just different molecules in our brains. And that’s cool. You’re sitting there, looking up at the sky and smiling like a fool. And you feel good! Just like drugs make people feel good. And the nature is the same. The same pleasure center is being massaged.

– You ask me why I run every day.

-Junkie because you are.

-Junkie. Somebody will cut from this lyfe and say, “Voloshin said Mura is a junkie.” Great.

There’s a bunch of questions. Do you plan to organize sports events in other countries as well: marathons, rubicons?

– Great. We were negotiating with Nizhniy Novgorod two months ago, before the quarantine. We want to do a Rubicon along the Golden Ring of Russia. Close to Moscow, to the old cities, to Nizhny Novgorod. And now we started negotiating, the crisis began, and we folded. Now the crisis will end, and we will start negotiations again in September.

We wanted to do Ocean Man in Romania, but we had a very hard time there, very sad. We were so slowed down there. Maybe they did not like that Moldovans enter their territory, like we can organize ourselves. And they created such conditions for us that even if all the participants came, we would still be at a disadvantage. That’s why we scrapped the project. It didn’t work out. We just couldn’t do it.

As for the worlds, I wanted to… We have a global Wild Man project in development. It’s a project like Iron Man. But only about wildlife. For example, I ran in Oymyakon; there is also a Wild Man winter race in the coldest point on earth, the hottest point, the highest, the lowest, the windiest. The wettest.

We’re thinking about that right now. This project doesn’t exist yet. We’re thinking, scratching our heads, counting.

-That’s when the question came up. Does Voloshin have any fears at all? Or are you just a punk and, like you said, any ass you want?

-Any ass associated with me. And the asshole associated with my loved ones. Any man cares about the people he loves. I don’t believe in people who aren’t afraid of anything. How can you not be afraid of your kid getting hit by a car? Of course, I don’t think about it all the time. But I worry about the people around me. There’s no escaping it. As the Buddhists say, you want to be absolutely free, you mustn’t get attached to anybody, you mustn’t love anybody much. You must love people in general. Because if you get attached to one person, he will have trouble, you will suffer. If you want to get rid of suffering, you must not have any attachment.

But we are not an enlightened people, so we love and we suffer and we fear for our loved ones.

-Just like Exupery. We are responsible for those we have tamed.


-So Iron Man has fears. That’s a good thing. We can get along with you.

-There are fears I won’t talk about, I’m not a shrink. I’ve got some internal afflictions.

-Question. What do you particularly dislike about yourself?

-When a person comes in for an interview, I say, “What don’t you like about yourself?” – “I’m too smart and a perfectionist. I like everything to be perfect. I work very hard, I’m a terrible workaholic.” – “I see, now that’s a serious problem you have. I can tell you that I am, too. In fact, I think: normal quality.

I’m actually a troll and, sometimes, I offend people. I can troll on some borderline normal, but sometimes I cross that borderline and can offend a person. I can say rude things. Tease.

-Any accident?

-People who are delicate, delicate of heart, take offense at me, and rightly so. I have to apologize afterwards. Thank God I don’t have a problem with apologies. There is the problem that I can offend people, and if you ask any employee, they know that I can use a tough word in a fit of temper, and insult, and overdo it. I usually apologize. It’s not hard for me to do. But I can be ashamed of such behavior.

-If you feel ashamed, that’s good. It’s worse when you don’t feel ashamed at all.

-I had a period like that. There was a period in 2008-2009 when I thought I was in charge.

-Did you get carried away?

– Yes, I had such a healthy crown. And I lost my bearings. And I was just destroying people. I could throw a mug at a man, tell him to fuck off straight. I started having problems. People began to leave the company, partners began to turn away. It was a hell of a thing. It’s better not to remember. It took me a few years. My wife is a holy woman. She made it through that period, even though she should have left a long time ago. I, however, never cheated on her, it is a holy thing. But I behaved like a pig with her sometimes. I remember now and I shudder. And thank God, I had enough intelligence, and thanks to Vika, too, she constantly guided me to the right path, to get out of the way. I’m back to normal.

As for the apology. I set myself the task of finding all the people with whom I had quarrelled, asking forgiveness from everyone and normalizing relations, so that I know that I don’t have enemies in Chisinau who hate me terribly. And it took me 3-4 years to build a new relationship with everyone, so that he wouldn’t think I was a scoundrel.

-Let’s say thank you again to Victoria. I follow you on Dmitry’s page. And I read that Victoria wanted to pack a suitcase more than once…

– She’s crafty. She would pack my suitcases and say, “Come on, get out of here.” And I go off somewhere. I go somewhere, I live.

-I almost knocked over my computer table laughing. Wise woman.

We now have a new Dmitry Voloshin. An improved version. Is it 2.0, 3.0, 5.0?

-I don’t know. She says, “I’m so sick of you, I’m just getting used to you, and then again, bam – and your course changes completely. You were the world champion in cold running yesterday, and today you’re laying out stones, saying, “I don’t need anything, leave me alone. The day after tomorrow, you’re going to be mayor of the city. Then you start pounding the ground. Fuck knows what’s going on with you.”

-I saw you work on the garbage and wrote an article about it. I liked the conclusion. Is there something you’re missing, something you’re unhappy about? Work a day in the garbage!

-By the way, a question for our viewers. We want to go to an event with Edik again this year. We’ve had trash pickup, asphalt paving. And this year we want a new challange. If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear about it. Maybe that’s what we’ll do. Whoever comes up with what we do gets a book.

-Lookers, there are 105 of you right now. Everybody write down a suggestion. Give Dima a challange. And let him go to work.

-There’s Profitrol wrote! It’s all these challenges.

-Eduard, good evening!

Let’s move on. I want to ask about the masks. That was a great idea. These masks helped the medics because we have a mind-boggling percentage of medics getting infected. I’ll talk about that next week with Olga Shkepu from Medpark. Watch us. She’ll probably give an explanation as to why we’re doing this. But I’m sure you’ve contributed to a lower infection rate by making these masks. How many masks have you, in fact, made? I saw on Facebook. I don’t know who got the idea for the snorkeling masks. Did you write to me that they were machine filters? What kind of filters were they?

-Oil filters from cars.

-How many masks were there?

-It came out in Italy. Guys guessed it. Italy is a diving country. They started doing it there. And here Sergey Legeida with his friends, the director of “Sportster”, saw it and started catching on. He is in charge of diving, president of the Diving Federation. And he said: “Let’s get together. And we started PRing, bring masks. People brought over 300 masks. And we collected them, twisted them up, made things out of them that we could give to doctors. I want to thank the Department of Sportster for saving people’s lives at a time when there’s a quarantine in the country.

Sergei is not alone. There’s company there. I’m just afraid of not pointing someone out, of not acknowledging them. It wasn’t my idea, I was just helping as much as I could.

And our Garage, which makes SONR, the Lobsters, they printed these headband things on a 3D printer to hang glass screens.

And fine. So that everyone can reveal themselves. You’re looking for an opportunity to prove yourself. You pull a friend up into the mountains, you don’t leave him alone. If you want to understand who he is, go to the mountains with him. It is the same here. Only in a crisis can people show what they can do.

That is why I am glad that there was an opportunity and we could show what we are capable of. Perhaps we didn’t do everything we wanted, and we could have done more. But we’ll do what we could have done.

-Instead of going out to a Simpals birthday party, you bought…

– Video laryngophones. That was also my suggestion to the staff. Guys, we don’t drink, we don’t eat, we don’t party, but we might save some lives. Let’s vote. We voted. So a big round of applause to the Simpals staff. Nice guys. I am very pleased that we are unanimous in this.

-Thank you Simpals. I have a question. What is the average salary at Simpals? People are wondering. You’re hiring employees.

-We don’t have the highest salaries in the country. I don’t have much to brag about. They’re not low, but they’re not top-notch. Because we are focused on the local Moldovan market. We have a lot of charitable-social projects which do not make a profit. As the same Studii, Achizitii or “Coloring the city”, we hold marathons, it’s all in deficit. Therefore, a person who comes to work at Simpals is not a person who is chasing money here and now. He is a person who wants self-fulfillment. And he’s very likely to find himself at Simpals because we don’t have a fixed: I work in the department and that’s it. We have so many different activities in the company that a person can find himself if not here, then there, if not there, then here. That’s the first thing.

Second, he’ll get… He’ll always have something to brag about with his friends. He’s doing a lot of good for the community. He’s not just making money, he’s also improving the space in which he lives. That’s important, too. And of course, career advancement. It will be combined with karma. The sandwich will be with money, and karma will be smeared on top, positive, good, tasty, not just a piece of dry bread.

-You said about the Lobster. I went on the Simpals website and saw that you said in Zingan’s interview that you were hiring people.

I’m checking everything out.

-Crisis is a swell opportunity to hire good people, because a lot of people are losing their jobs right now. You have to pick them up and bring them into the company. You have to pat them on the head. We’re fine, we’re calm. Our salaries are always being paid, let’s move into the world. That’s cool.

-People say: what are you telling me crisis is an opportunity? That’s what they’re teaching me now in my MBA. I think I had to do an MBA, so that the man came and said: the crisis for HR – it’s the best. You’ll find talent in the market and attract it at a lower cost than when everything is nice and calm.

About Lobster. I saw that you were looking for a project director for it. I liked the ad. Weekend, birthday, cookies, candy. I haven’t seen ads like that yet. I would have come to work for you by now.

So I want to ask you, what’s new with Lobster? Is it a brand that is sold on the world market?

-It’s not sold at all in Moldova. We sold one. We don’t have freediving. The freediving market in the world is in principle narrow. There are only about 100,000 people in the world. And in Moldova there are only 2-3.

-So few? I thought more people went to the Maldives.

-You’re confusing diving and free diving. There’s a lot of diving. Freediving is tankless. It’s on air hold.

-I know you hold for six and a half minutes.


-Are you aiming for seven minutes?

-I don’t do freediving anymore. I just do pranayama during meditation and for fun. And seriously. I don’t do freediving professionally anymore.

-Tell me about the Lobster. Is it for sale?

– It’s for sale. Oddly enough, it seems like the world’s in the toilet, but it’s selling, and we’re ahead. It’s amazing. There might be a downturn because summer comes and all the divers go out in the open water, in the oceans, in the seas, to dive. We have a subject for pools. So there might be a sag. We’ve made some products right now. We have a freediver belt and a diver belt. We’re still going to make a nose clip right now. It’s amazing. It looks like a little crab on the nose. We’re going to sell it. And with these products, hopefully we’ll make a good profit this year.

– Do 999s work in a recession?

-I was told, “Dima, you’re in the sweet spot. You have 999, an online business, how cool. For some reason no one thinks that when a crisis hits, the whole business says, “Stop, we’re not doing any advertising, we have to wait, we have to hold on to the money. And of course, we have money from 999 rushing in.

– Do people give and pay?

-Yes. We didn’t go negative. We stayed in a slight surplus. But we lost a lot of profit in the crisis. In terms of money, there’s a curve there. Just like everybody else. This is normal. Thank goodness we’re in the black so far. People started adding more ads. Buy, sell. Natural exchanges. And business has left the Internet.

Now we feel it’s coming in. People are starting to post. The country is coming alive, business is coming alive. I think in 3 or 4 months, everything will be fine.

-What’s Joblist? –

– Joblist is a job board. It’s a job board. Kind of like

-And how does it work? Are people looking in a crisis or waiting?

-I can’t say. I don’t monitor the project. I only monitor projects that interest me. And this project… I’m kind of settled in at work, so it’s fine with me. I have a job, so Joblist doesn’t interest me.

-Maybe with a bigger paycheck. You haven’t had a raise in five years. You could find another one with a higher salary.

– I was in America, I went to an American gas pedal, I lived in a black neighborhood.

-Tell me. I saw a video of you on the subway in New York.

– They’re recruiting new groups every three months. Now they’ve recruited 12 more dummies like us. And bam, borders are closed, there’s a crisis. And they’ve been sitting at home in America for three months now. And they’re like: “Ahhhh, we want to go home.” We’re the last batch that was before the quarantine. Then it hit them. They’re sad there now.

-Accelerator for something?

-He showed that we’re not about business in Moldova at all. Even people who claim to know how to do business. They know how to do business in Moldova. And it works. Realistically, we have experts on the Moldovan market, on Moldovan business. And it works. These models are bullshit. There are completely different laws there. And we studied them because we plan to enter the American market with our Sonar product. Everything we knew here we had to forget and learn all over again how to move there. Everything is different there.

-About Sonar. Is it a startup?

-Of course it is.

-I read how you got the idea. That you were swimming, your coach was yelling.

– Yeah, I can’t hear him. I only see him cursing occasionally. Turns out I was putting my hand in at the wrong angle.

-And you came up with the idea to make the world’s smallest underwater radio. Is that right?

– Yeah.

-And that’s the project you’re about to launch?

-We were supposed to launch this project back in February. But because all the factories and plants in China have closed, the project was put on hold. We are just now starting to unpack it. In June we plan to make a trial batch, distribute it to influencers, swimmers and coaches. And sometime in the fall we’ll start.

– You see, there are examples when the crisis hits the pockets and plans.

-It’s no big deal. We’ll release three months later. What, is that gonna make the universe stop? If we’re going to shit on this project, we’re going to shit on it. Sooner or later.

-There’s one more question. What are your dreams?

-Do you want to be outspoken?

-Come on, don’t. Just tell it like it is.

-I have a dream that is not global. Not a dream of conquering the world or running across Antarctica on all fours. My dream right now is to dig a swimming pond next to my dacha, where my family and I and my friends can come and swim. And put a cottage next to it, where we can slowly come out of town.

I live in the city, but I want to get out of the city. Now it’s such a period, a relaxation. The crisis puts my mind a little bit in a different vector. And now I am thinking about eco-settlement, about life in the countryside, about subsistence farming. How to make a village, where my friends will gather, a community in 50 kilometers from Chisinau. Such nonsense in my head. I like it. If I used to be steamed: “Dima, get serious, you can do more, and it’s the little things. And now I understand that there are no little things. Anything you like is valuable. It’s like emeralds, like gems that everyone should take and pile up for themselves. Even if it seems like a little glass, but you like it, take the glass, put it down for yourself. Look at it, enjoy it.

-I have this question. I read one post of yours at the end of 2019. Here’s my 7 years, here’s what I’ve accomplished. There’s a lot written in there. Gibraltar, Oymyacon, Iron Man, a bunch of marathons plus business, etc.

And there was a post so obscure. That wall, I climbed, I overcame it. And now the family, the kids. I’ve been away. I want to be a good father.

-I’ve always been a good father.

-I’m from memory.

-This is my new level. From the outside, it might seem like I’m taking a step back. But for me, this is progress. I’m getting closer to the people I love. Not further away from them through wealth, career, success. But closer. And that makes me feel good. And it makes them feel good. Everyone has their own scale of values and their own steps. Not the ones that seem right from the outside. There are steps that are the same for everyone. Everyone has their own. If you feel like you’ve climbed a new ladder, I give you a standing ovation. And it doesn’t matter what it looks like from the side, up or down. All that matters is that it’s up for you.

– Does this mean that Dmitry Voloshin is done with extreme sports? That he has calmed down?

-No, he hasn’t. But with extreme sports, I think so. For me now, sports will be fun. Now I go barefoot everywhere and run barefoot, and I get a lot of pleasure from contact with Mother Nature. And I swim and run. But I get high because I don’t do sports for results, not for tough workouts, medals or trips to competitions. I just enjoy the process. I’ll never give it up. It’s sacred.

– I’m tempted to ask you. Ouarzazate in Morocco, where you started des Sables? 


– Did you eat that bug?

-Of course. I eat bugs.

-You said if you knew about the consequences, maybe you wouldn’t have eaten it. What were the consequences? I couldn’t find any in the book.

-I ate my grandfather. Then I was told off by my grandson that I ate his ancestor. It was unpleasant. It wasn’t exactly a bug. I don’t remember it well. But I thought I was talking to the bug.

-Whoever wins the book, be sure to read how the grandson beetle was telling off. Do you really eat bugs?

-I’m not directly that I have May bugs for dinner tonight and a cocktail of earthworms in the morning. But when circumstances like this, or the kids ask: “Daddy, eat a dragonfly,” I can eat it. To show that I’m okay with it. I’m not disgusted. I’m not an insect killer. Insects, please forgive me. I don’t put it on an assembly line.

-Can you pick one favorite out of all your athletic accomplishments?

-What emotions did I experience at this competition. I have many favorites, but each one is for something different. Which emotion interests you? Where did I suffer more? Where did I get more high? Where was more positive, negative?

-Where did you suffer more? Where did you get more high? And where did you learn more?

-I learned the most in Oymyakon during the cold run. I had insights after insights. I wrote three posts on I had many discoveries during this run and preparation. I was observing how the universe was manipulating me. How I tried to bend it and what I got for it. I also had insights during the run.

My toughest race was the Attila swim run. It was the world championship swim run. It’s a sport where people run and swim, but they don’t change their equipment. That is, you swim in sneakers, and you run in a wetsuit.

-I didn’t know that.

-It’s a sport. And you run on 26 islands in Scandinavia near Stockholm. Seventy kilometers. You swim 10 of them. And the water’s 12 degrees. And you have a short wetsuit. And you’re shaking all over. I threw up twice on the way. So you run, then you jump in the water, you swim. And it’s all in conjunction with your partner so you don’t get lost, because there are no lifeguards. If something happens to you, only your buddy can get you out.

And my partner Liviu Croitoru, a master athlete, is much cooler than I am. And even he was deflated by the end, so we just walked. And those trails are tough. You don’t make it in time, they take you off the course. There were 10 points on the road. You didn’t get there in time before three o’clock – that’s it, you’re out. And these were the strongest athletes from all over the world. We came last but one. Five other teams didn’t have time to get there. And we were in such a terrible condition when we arrived 5 minutes before the finish line that we couldn’t come to ourselves for several days. We were shaking. It was a terrible race. I suffered there.

And I got the biggest thrill at Comrades. It’s an ultramarathon in South Africa. 90 kilometers through the hills of South Africa. With the largest fan base in the world. About a million people go out on the course to watch the most popular and largest ultramarathon in the world run. There are 20,000 people running this race. And I haven’t seen that kind of support anywhere, not even the New York City Marathon. People there prepare for a year for this event. They don’t have much going on. In Durban, for example. And they prepare in advance. The people there are not very rich. But he saved up some money, bought a case of Coke and some ice. And he pours a glass of Coke and treats people.

The orphanage takes disabled children out, and you have to give them candy. There’s a lot of rituals. It’s a very old marathon, there are a lot of rituals. You have to give candy to a child, then you can do it.

People fry sausages, steaks, potatoes. Everybody’s cheering you up, supporting you. Somebody’s giving you a massage. You come to the finish line poo-pooed, because 90 kilometers isn’t easy. You were running for the time, you wanted to get a medal. I didn’t get that many hormones released into my bloodstream anywhere else. It was a high.

I could talk about every race for half an hour.

-We’ll get a live one just for the races.

We have suggestions. Hospice, undertaker. That’s for challenges. A caretaker for an orphanage. The best challange is airbrush house cleanup and yard cleanup. Firefighter or ambulance attendant. Or a plumber.

-Where do you see it all? I don’t see it.

-Collecting trash, but not sorting it. There’s a sorting line near Chisinau. It smells so bad there. I don’t know how people cope there. To work in a nursing home, as a waiter in Andys.

-A waiter is a good idea. We chose community service jobs. Not in a for-profit structure, but something that creates a living environment for us. For ordinary people. Garbage, asphalt, roads. We could go to work for the sewage treatment plant. We are thinking of going. So nothing strains your palate anymore after that. Receptors weren’t responding to anything anymore.

-We’ll take a few more questions and call it a day.

What qualities does a person have to have in order to not fit into Simpals?

-It’s very interesting how our community is organized, our lake with fish. If there is a fish in our lake that is looking for a place to hide, so that other fish do the work for him. Not even the management, but the team itself rejects such characters. We have a common family atmosphere, common family values. They are not spelled out in any documents. To understand it, you just have to feel it. You have to work for a while to understand what kind of people hang out there. I can’t say specifically that you have to blame everything on others, you have to be irresponsible. Or count your work by the minute. You have to come in to work and see if the staff will accept you or not. If you trickle in, because we have a very important point in the interview. We listen to pheromones. Is this person ours or not ours? How does he behave? Is he sincere? For me sincerity is very important. If I see a person at a job interview who is not sincere, that’s it, we won’t be able to work. This is at least, this is the foundation on which you can build everything else. If they don’t like the conditions, say: I don’t like the conditions. Or I’m not ready to do it, I can’t do it. When a person lies, I have a lot of experience with people, and it shows. And it’s not pleasant. When you feel like you’re already being lied to in a job interview, you get uncomfortable.

So the rule book is not. As we say, dementia and courage is our man.

-Don’t forget to give cookies and candy for that.

– It’s a general rule.

-In general, is anti-fragility for everyone or not?

– This is science. It’s the rule by which this world works, that there are anti-fragile systems. And we have to learn to separate that the kneecap, the joints, are not the same as a mechanical watch. Somehow we think it is. It really isn’t. We have to use this wonderful property of ours and try to make everything that happens around you in life anti-fragile. Try to make your happiness anti-fragile. That’s what Buddhists do. But since we are not Buddhists, we have to build our own life system of people, actions, events that will make you feel good, free and happy as a person, whatever it is.

-I could talk to you about this for another hour. All right. Some other time.

Now Evgeny Vyacheslavovich asks to share some wise Voloshin advice.

-Listen to Voloshin’s wise advice. Never listen to anyone’s advice. Live your own life. It will come in handy. This I promise you. Because no advice ever works. You have to step on your own rake. One never learns from the mistakes of others. That is absolute nonsense. You always have to step on your own rake personally and step on it not just once, but many, many times. I have to step on it several times in order to understand something. One time is not enough. And listening to someone else is complete nonsense. So don’t listen to anyone’s advice, try it, try to do it yourself, step on your own rake. Treat the bruises, step on the rake, treat the bruises again. And then learn to step over them. And don’t give advice to anybody. It’s no use, either.

That’s your advice. I do not know how wise it is, but it helps me.

-Do we do these things for a reason? Is listening to other people helpful?

Not advice, but other people’s experiences.

– Yes. To be motivated. To say, “Why, could I do it that way? I can do it, too! It is useless to make a copy. Trying to make yourself into Voloshin-2 will not work. And you won’t be able to copy anybody. But to understand that you can move in this direction – sure. And then you do it on your own. That is why I do not advise, but rather entertain. I do not teach, but give understanding, what opportunities are in front of us. But not: do this and don’t do that.

-I like the fact that you didn’t take the niche of counselors, but took the niche of free thinkers, for which I thank you. Life was very interesting.

A big thank you to everyone. I also want to ask you: are you ready to announce the best question or do you have to go through more questions in the comments?

-I’ll go through a quick one. There has to be one winner?

-You can announce two or three. I don’t mind if people read your book about how you ran in the desert.

People keep commenting. “Thank you, very interesting. I’ve lived on the land for the last 10 years and know firsthand the pros and cons. I’ve long wondered why we don’t have an IT village. I’m sure it could have worked. I’d have a conversation on the subject.” You’ve seen all the comments anyway. They’re not going anywhere. They will. If you like any question, verbalize it now.

– I wasn’t asked about Simpals. I’ve heard the other questions in different interpretations. But about Simpals, I haven’t. What you don’t have to be to work in Simpals.

-We’ll find that question in a moment. Sandu Nikulo. What qualities does a person have to have in order to not fit into Simpals? Write your e-mail address in private. And I will send a book by Dmitry Voloshin.

-Let us change your rule. Whoever wants to send their e-mail, we’ll send the book there. Why does one person have to send it?

-Aha! -Tell me, please, Dimitri, who wants it? All-everyone who watched? Or those who asked questions?

-Let those who hear you, or who watch live, send you an e-mail and get the book. I’m not sorry. I didn’t write the book to make money from the book. I wrote the book to share my experiences. Let people read it.

-Dima, we have to encourage activity somehow.

-Okay. Here’s how it works. You ask a question, you get a book. If you don’t ask, I’m sorry.

-Okay. Then Dimitri Voloshin came to my life, changed all the rules. And I do not mind. I like challenges. Therefore, everyone who asked a question and sent me in a personal e-mail, so that I could send the book in PDF format to you, my dear viewers, will receive the book.

And now on this positive note we finish. And see you soon. Including Dmitry Voloshin. By the way, Dmitry was premiering today on Lyfe, because he’s the only dude who hasn’t stopped by my place on “Business and Summer” on TV-8 and hasn’t done any interviews or Lyfe with me before. Such a nugget. Thank you, Dimitri.

-Thank you to everyone who watched us. Thank you for the questions. It was a lot of fun. Till the end of the day.

-By the way, I lived in Kiev for several years. I understand perfectly. Dobachannya to all. La revedere. See you soon. And goodbye!

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